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written by: Zygurt

Yep, this is an issue I've had for quite a while. Workbench is the easiest way to change it that I've found by going into the AU rig and changing the plugin in there.

written by: martinthompson

Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:29:10 +0100 BST

Something very strange has happened to my Pico setups... I can no longer browse the AU attached to Audio Unit Rig 2! I go into AU2 Control mode, press "AU2 plugin browse", but the EigenBrowser remains entitled "Audio Unit 1". If I choose an instrument, the AU attached to Rig1 changes.

The next button down works correctly, turning the GUI for AU2 on and off.

This happens with my long-tweaked setup... and with the factory Pico Setup!

Is there a small (or even long) piece of Belcanto I can incant to reconnect the buttons the way they used to be?

Thanks!
Martin


written by: mikemilton

Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:39:13 +0100 BST

Have you tried using stage?


written by: martinthompson

Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:07:43 +0100 BST

Hi Mike,

Can you elaborate - how would I use stage to do this?

Thanks!


written by: TheTechnobear

Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:40:09 +0100 BST

yes, this is known I reported it here:
http://www.eigenlabs.com/forum/threads/id/1226/

you can fix in belcano as follows:

audio unit rig 2 talker hey 1 cancel
audio unit rig 2 talker hey ' " eigenbrowser , audio unit rig 2 instrument audio unit plugin browse " do ' when 1 called 1 do

note: careful with the ' and " and spacing :o)

enjoy :o)


written by: martinthompson

Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:10:20 +0100 BST

Thanks for the belcanto - it's successfully disconnected the talker I assume, as the LED has gone off.

The second line has not reconnected it, although I seem to have an 'OK' response.

I just pasted straight from your message, and it sems that there are spaces on both sides of each ' and " - is that correct?


written by: TheTechnobear

Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:29:35 +0100 BST

oops sorry, I forgot cancelling would also delete the key assignment,
you need the following:

audio unit rig 2 talker hey 1 cancel
audio unit rig 2 talker hey ' " eigenbrowser , audio unit rig 2 instrument audio unit plugin browse " do ' when 1 called 1 do
audio unit rig 2 talker hey key 1 key column to 1 set
audio unit rig 2 talker hey key 1 key row to 3 set


written by: mikemilton

Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:51:15 +0100 BST

Martin... for stage (and I'm assuming it is set up similar to an Alpha):

- have eigenbrowser open
- run stage
- select the tab for AU2 (you will likely need to click the + at the end of the list of tabs to find it)
- click on the browse AU button on that tab

Stage can be a handy alternative to the on-instrument interface whie preparing a setup.


written by: martinthompson

Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:21:13 +0100 BST

@mikemilton - thanks I had misunderstood you - I thought I could remap the keys with Stage :)

@TheTechnobear, thanks for your continued help - I now get an error "No agents use the verb browse" when pressing the button :(

I'm a reasonably experienced hardware and software developer, but I can't figure out what to do to fix what appear to be random strings of belcanto... I tried figuring out what was wrong from the docs on this site, but they seem to be of no help whatsoever! Is there a raw reference guide which documents what actions can be performed on what objects?


written by: keyman

Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:51:19 +0100 BST

- unlok STAGE (top right corner)
-choose edit tool
click the widget that does not work( AU/VST 2 Plugin Browse
de-select "enable" (lower right corner) - click OK
(that bottom will go grey)
-choose create tool
now on the left pane go to:
audio unit rig 2 talker /key/key 1
and drag'n drop the word activate on top of the "AU/VST 2 Plugin Browse" bottom

this will do the trick! and will fix the connection on this bottom ;-)
(info here
http://www.eigenlabs.com/wiki/2.0/Widgets/
http://www.eigenlabs.com/wiki/2.0/Stage/



written by: TheTechnobear

Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:59:45 +0100 BST

I think Martin, is talking about accessing via his pico, not stage.
as pointed out in my earlier post, the talker was broken in 2.0.74 factory setup for the pico - geert acknowledged this.

Martin, Ive just tested this on my pico with the factory setup and it works.

so not sure what going wrong, what i did was
a) Cut n' Paste each line separately - and press enter each time.
(ie. i dont try to get eigencommander to execute it all in one go)
b) the second statement goes from audio unit... all the way to the second do.

defintely cut n' paste, because its easy to get the second lines spacing wrong, or use the wrong type of quotes - they are important
basically the outer single quotes are required as the statement placed into the talker requires double quotes.

e.g. the talkers statement is:
" eigenbrowser , audio unit rig 2 instrument audio unit plugin browse " do

and to program it you need:
audio unit rig 2 talker hey ' a statement ' when 1 called 1 do

The EigenD reference says how to program the talker.

the 'browse' verb is a bit tricky, basically because it works off the two agents eigenbrowser (to tell it to browse something) and the audio unit plugin, to tell it that it request the plugin parameter to be 'browsed'
its a horrible bit of syntax/code

try again, and it should work...

update:
ok, did again for a second time to check it wasn't just 'lucky', and it worked again for me.
(just so you know, before I did this I had pico standard setup loaded, started both eigenbrowser and eigencommand, then cut n pasted one line at a time)
btw, i assume you know eigenbrowser will still say instrument audio unit 1, because its instrument audio unit 1 in audio unit rig 1, but the browser doesn't include the later useful information ;o)


written by: martinthompson

Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:51:23 +0100 BST

Thanks Technobear - I'm not sure what I did differently last night, but it works tonight - brill!

Thanks Mike and keyman also for the Stage suggestions!


written by: TheTechnobear

Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:56:25 +0100 BST

Cool - things can be like that sometimes :o)


written by: Zygurt

Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:10:58 +0000 GMT

Yep, this is an issue I've had for quite a while. Workbench is the easiest way to change it that I've found by going into the AU rig and changing the plugin in there.



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